meester_bond (meester_bond) wrote,

Me vs Scott Part 6 Near Death Experiences

Add to this things like the peer-reviewed studies by Pim van Lommel (published in the medical journal Lancet) confirming the existence of Near Death Experiences (and by this, I mean extra-body experiences where people have verifiable experiences of people and places and conversations at geographic distance from where their body lies on an operating some cases, these are people born blind who have never seen anything their whole life, but are able to accurately describe what they see while "dead")...bottom line, Jon, science is on our side here!

There are non supernatural explanations for NDE and it is not as conclusive that they are supernatural in nature. Near-death experiences can be produced with surprising ease in a laboratory for something with supposedly supernatural explanations, and the ability of the human mind to gather and process information while on the edge of death is still unknown, but is growing constantly. Near-death experiences are very interesting; however, the fact that we don’t know exactly what’s going on in an incredibly complex organ during an immensely complex period (death), isn’t proof of God or the supernatural, only that we have more to learn about how our bodies function.

How about you looking at the much greater literature disproving the NDE, and showing why it seems to occur? I saw one study where electrical stimulation of part of the brain produced just that effect in the subject, and they weren’t even close to being dead.

Let me find the exact study, but there was one where scientists placed an object on a shelf where it wouldn’t be visible to patients. They asked all patients who had a near-death experience what that item was. The result? Nada.

I’ve no doubt that people who nearly die have some crazy stuff going on in their brain. That’s not the right question. The question is: are they hallucinations, or are they evidence that consciousness exists outside of the brain? This question has not yet been answered. Lommel’s article (available here: ) contains one anecdote about a man seeing his dentures get removed during comatose. Not what I’d call compelling evidence for Christianity.

Let's make one thing clear, however: One article in one journal does not instantly make all of science on your side. To be accurate, science is not on anyone’s side. It doesn’t play favourites, it just explains reality. If you choose to anthropomorphise it by assigning intent, that’s your prerogative, but don’t expect anyone to be impressed.
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